Lords Spiritual

Proposer
Autumn-Leah
State

Accepted

Vote Score

2

Age

795 days


@Autumn-Leah edited democracy.md - about 2 years ago

We believe in replacing the House of Lords with a more representative chamber. However, there are immediate reforms required and so while we will work to replace the House of Lords, we will apply incremental reform to the Lords before hand to improve our democracy in the meantime. These reforms are outlined below, in the order in which we'll hope to implement them.

Lords Spiritual

All Lords Spiritual will be immediately removed from their positions as a part of our push towards a governing system where all systems and processes, including the courts and houses of parliament, are institutionally secular, even if individual members are religious.

Cease all new appointments

We will immediately end all new appointments to the House of Lords, swiftly ending the undemocratic selection procedure, including internal by-elections.

Floppy

@Floppy - about 2 years ago

Hell yeah. I thought this was already in, actually.

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Floppy

@Floppy - about 2 years ago

This might be better in the "cut the numbers" section, as we could just remove the Lords Spiritual in that process, but it can move later.

Xyleneb

@Xyleneb - about 2 years ago

"I think that vast constitutional changes; such as implementing a house of citizens, or abolishing every last one of the bishops, will scare the old people. It'll scare me too probably."

There's no point in vast constitutional reform that you cannot hope to implement. It's unsatisfying compromises or it's nothing. I'm sorry, fellow republicans.

Vote: ❎

philipjohn

@philipjohn - about 2 years ago

I think we need a bigger "YES" button...

Vote: ✅

Autumn-Leah

@Autumn-Leah - about 2 years ago

"I think that vast constitutional changes; such as implementing a house of citizens, or abolishing every last one of the bishops, will scare the old people. It'll scare me too probably."

There's no point in vast constitutional reform that you cannot hope to implement. It's unsatisfying compromises or it's nothing. I'm sorry, fellow republicans.

The way I look at it, the church and state can be entirely detached as a realistic goal, and to do so would be a positive thing. You are free to have a dissenting opinion. Being that this isn't actually a criticism of the specific change of removing the CoE Lords but moreso the nature of the change, I can't say much more than that. Unless you consider the reduction in Lord numbers a constitutional change.

Xyleneb

@Xyleneb - about 2 years ago

The way I look at it, the church and state can be entirely detached as a realistic goal, and to do so would be a positive thing. You are free to have a dissenting opinion. Being that this isn't actually a criticism of the specific change of removing the CoE Lords but moreso the nature of the change, I can't say much more than that. Unless you consider the reduction in Lord numbers a constitutional change.

Just to be clear I thought that the Bishops and the 'Lords Spiritual' were the same thing. I'm still not sure if they are or not.

Autumn-Leah

@Autumn-Leah - about 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual - ya could've searched it buddy, but here ya go.

Floppy

@Floppy - about 2 years ago

This entire page is about massive constitutional reform. It's kind of the whole point :)

It's written as a series of reforms though, one after another, so that it doesn't propose changing everything at once. Because yes, that would be impossible.

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geeksareforlife

@geeksareforlife - about 2 years ago

I am all for separation of the church and state