remove bishops from house of lords, disestablish the church of England, create a secular state,

Proposer
andrewedmondson
State

Rejected

Vote Score

1

Age

1950 days


@andrewedmondson edited manifesto/democracy.md - over 5 years ago

Citizens are selected from the electoral roll and serve a single fixed-length term. A subset of the chamber is changed each year. Leave from work is legally protected, and help back to work included in the cost.

Remove Bishops from the House of Lords

Immediately remove the 26 Bishops from the House of Lords.

MPs pay and expenses

MP salaries should be linked to other public sector wages, and should rise and fall with them. We propose that this should be set as a multiple of the median public sector wage. If current wage levels are taken as a starting point, the multiplier would be roughly 2.5, but the precise figure should be decided by an independent panel of citizens when the legislation is prepared. Other salaries (for instance, for ministers) would also be linked to public sector wages in the same way. The President will be equal before the law, and will not be protected by Sovereign Immunity. The President will not be constitutionally linked to any faith.

[^1]: Do we need a written constitution? - The Constitution Society

[^2]: Campaign against royal secrecy

Disestablish the Church of England

Work towards the total disestablishment of the Church of England. Create a secular state.

Floppy

@Floppy - over 5 years ago

Thanks for the additions! Pretty sure we have these two things in elsewhere; let me find them...

Floppy

@Floppy - over 5 years ago

Yep, here we go:

Disestablishment: http://openpolitics.org.uk/manifesto/society.html#secularism

Looks like the bishops wording (which we did have before) has been replaced with a more general reform, but we could have it back in.

andrewedmondson

@andrewedmondson - over 5 years ago

Thanks James. No harm in repeting them in overlapping sections. I'm sure there are quite a few other changes I could mek. Running out of time now.

Regards

Andrew

On 14/04/2015 13:54, James Smith wrote:

Yep, here we go:

Disestablishment: http://openpolitics.org.uk/manifesto/society.html#secularism

Looks like the bishops wording (which we did have before) has been replaced with a more general reform, but we could have it back in.

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Floppy

@Floppy - over 5 years ago

True that. We can always cross-link after. 👍

yellowgopher

@yellowgopher - over 5 years ago

My two penny's worth (although I KNOW I am in the minority here) - I would be very careful about explicitly naming groups or individuals in these things because there is a risk that you could end up missing someone or something off the list! I am actually for the disestablishment of the CofE (I know, shock horror) as I think it is actually a chain around the CofE's neck and a fundamentally unfair position over the multitude of different groups that exist in the religious sector and beyond.

It may shock the secular majority here that some bishops are actually worth their position in the Lords - but we'd want to reform the Lords anyway... ;-)

andrewedmondson

@andrewedmondson - over 5 years ago

It is valid to name the C of E because it is part of the government.

On 14/04/2015 14:34, yellowgopher wrote:

My two penny's worth (although I KNOW I am in the minority here) - I would be very careful about explicitly naming groups or individuals in these things because there is a risk that you could end up missing someone or something off the list! I am actually for the disestablishment of the CofE (I know, shock horror) as I think it is actually a chain around the CofE's neck and a fundamentally unfair position over the multitude of different groups that exist in the religious sector and beyond.

It may shock the secular majority here that some bishops are actually worth their position in the Lords - but we'd want to reform the Lords anyway... ;-)

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/openpolitics/manifesto/pull/324#issuecomment-92840525.

yellowgopher

@yellowgopher - over 5 years ago

Not sure what you are getting at here. I would create a general framework for a new Lords - removes the issue of particular groups being over represented etc. But I think we should allow any capable person to serve - regardless of their opinion on God!

andrewedmondson

@andrewedmondson - over 5 years ago

Yes I agree. No reason why a bishop shouldn't be there; just not by right.

On 14/04/2015 16:05, yellowgopher wrote:

Not sure what you are getting at here. I would create a general framework for a new Lords - removes the issue of particular groups being over represented etc. But I think we should allow any capable person to serve - regardless of their opinion on God!

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yellowgopher

@yellowgopher - over 5 years ago

Fair point and agreed - anyone can serve as long as they get there on merit.

philipjohn

@philipjohn - over 5 years ago

Not sure I like the idea of duplicating stuff. If it really needs to be in two sections, it should just be linked.

PaulJRobinson

@PaulJRobinson - over 5 years ago

Get's my vote 👍